Joel Osteen on Homosexuality

I must say, I am almost disrespectfully amused by Joel Osteen. Interviewed on CNN (watch it here) by the new anchor Piers Morgan, he was asked the thorny question with a simple answer:

“Is homosexuality a sin?”

“Yes, I’ve always believed it. The Scripture shows that it’s a sin.”

“I say it’s wrong because that’s what the Scripture says,” Osteen stated, the pastor of America’s largest church, Lakewood Church located in Houston Texas. Thereafter he went on explaining that he can’t pick and choose parts of the Bible which you like, and discard the parts which do not suit him. He also added that he’s not “one of those to bash homosexuals and tell them they’re terrible people….I’m not the judge. You know, God didn’t tell me to go around judging everybody.” Of which, I’m not so hot about, but yeah, I don’t see how you can avoid judging them. Obviously, a statement of that magnitude and startling clarity attracted a multitude of chatter among Christians.

The most surprising of reactions was probably Rev. Dr. Miguel de la Torre, a Baptist minister and member of the HRC Religion Council. He said, quoting:

“As a Southern Baptist and an ethicist I believe that we can’t follow Jesus’ commandment to love God and our neighbor as our self if we start with the premise that homosexuality is sinful,” Torre argued. “Starting with the belief that people are sinful doesn’t allow us to get to know them, let alone love them.”

I’m not sure if he’s aware of the passage in Romans 5 which says:

“Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (v.7-8)

The passage clearly precludes knowledge of sin, and makes it paramount to salvation. While a good person might be worth dying for, giving a reason. A disability to reason was God’s reason to save us from our sins. Being altogether unable to help ourselves out of that condition. Lost in our ways and no visible way open for our recovery. Completely depraved and deplorable and desperately in need of a Saviour. Therefore, we are the ones, of which, salvation is due to most. If God so much didn’t acknowledge out sinful state, how could he have begun to thought that we needed love, in the form of Jesus, our Lord and Saviour?

The biggest hurdle I believe for homosexuals todays is either the demonization, or the deregulation of homosexuality (two different extremes) to the point where it is a entire identity. This is the disunity, where people become less than human, they are homosexual or heterosexual, and segregated accordingly. I kind of understand where Torre is coming from, there is a place for relationships and it is paramount for preaching the gospel. But the diminution of homosexuality as a sin is dishonest and the Gospel is essential changing our identity of how we see the world. While we were still homosexuals, thieves, murderers, haters of our brothers, we were brought to the feast of which we paid nothing, and actually owed an unpayable debt to the King of the table. How can one be justified then reconciled to God, if he has nothing to have justified from?

The reality is, it’s got nothing to do with homosexuals. If true love is demonstrated through Jesus dying on the cross, how can anyone know love without knowing how much they do not deserve it? If anything, Rev Torre is attempting to dumb down the love of God, a cheap grace as you would have it. For one, I find myself agreeing with Joel Osteen more and more in his statement. I challenge him now to justify his health-wealth Gospel according to the Bible…

“You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.” (Romans 5v.6)

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4 Responses to Joel Osteen on Homosexuality

  1. Blessings, brother, in Christ. I am always happy to read your posts and am especially encouraged to see your wisdom grow as the Holy Spirit cultivates you for Christ!

    You’re right, homosexuality is not the issue here.

    If God demonstrated His love by sending Christ to us while we were yet still sinners, then we accept and understand His love in the fulfilling purpose of Christ which was “that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations…” (Luke 24:47)

    The purpose of Christ was repentance, forgiveness, and reconciliation through His blood. Simply put.

    Yes, homosexuality is a sin and sin is an abomination towards God, of which, required the death of His Son to rectify. Yet sin is not the focus. Redemption is, and redemption leads us towards eternal life in the Grace of God.

    It’s saddening to see people arguing among themselves over these things and attaching terms to their titles like “Baptist ethicist”. Christ is the summation of all things in God and there are no needs for any other attachments to who we are.

    Anyway, post.

    Peace in Christ and blessings to you, brother.

    • JN Hong says:

      Opps, sorry, your comment got into my spam filter somehow, and I only found it just now…=P

      I think the tag “Christian” is already much offensive to the world, let alone having to define further, as an ethicist. What is that to mean anyway? Aren’t all Christians ethicists? O.o

      Thanks for the comment.

  2. I definitely agree, we have turned homosexuality from a sin into an issue.

    My homosexual friend asked me about this and I explained that one sin isn’t worse or bigger than another. He seemed rather shocked by that, which really had me kinda worried since he came from a Catholic background and so this shouldn’t have been news to him =(

    Not sure if this is entirely coherent (sorry), so I hope you understand what I’m trying to say =)

    • JN Hong says:

      Haha no it made sense! Homosexual actions are a sin, it’s not bigger than any other sin. Almost on equal terms with divorce really, as both are desacrilisation of the institution of marriage.

      But yeah, Travis in the OP, called me out for the use of homosexuality. I do agree with him, everytime I say homosexuality, I mean homosexual actions.

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